K. sounds like the name of Franz Kafka's The Trial hero
so yes, and it's real. My name is Josef Klumb, the whole name is Josef
Maria Willheim Klumb. My artist name for a long while was Jay Kay (for
English J.K.) but I returned to our own roots and need no American name.
Josef K. - that's not just Kafka like the mane seems to live it's own
life a lot of parallels to The Trial
Our fucking stupid music establishment
and radical left and also the democracy believers they rejected me,
but it's ok for me. I don't wanna be like them, so I got no more problems
with their kind of knowing what and who I am.
Kafka was great and I'm also a tragic kind of hero don't wanna be a
winner - in this media world of successful arseholes. And I'm also not
talk about history of FORTHCOMING FIRE and its relations with VON THRONSTAHL
and THE DAYS OF THE TRUMPET CALL.
FIRE has been formed in 1991, and me and Lars Wehr are the only members
now left from the original line-up. Since my brother Bernhard (Burn-hard
or BURNT-HEART) has left the band to do the full-time job with WEISSGLUT
(a German major gothic-metal rock act (SONY/EPIC)) FORTHCOMING FIRE is
not my formation anymore. My brother was mastermind in music. Lars is
a talented guitarist, but my brother did the great work of composing
the most songs. I was also a singer in WEISSGLUT, but there was big diffamation
against me from radical left and so my mind thing is VON THRONSTAHL
now. It's between Neo-Classic, Neo-Folk, Industrial and more in a fascistic
Back to FORTHCOMING FIRE we did a lot of records: Longing for Light
mCD, Ekhnaton CD, Illumination CD, Heliopolis mCD, a tribute to
Jim Morrison Lizard King CD, Je Suis CD, Suspected, Rejected and
Burnt Alive DoCD, Watching Rome Burn CD
Another mCD is planned. We
are on around 20 different compilations.
For the Je Suis and Suspected, Rejected and Burnt Alive we worked
together with RUSSIAN foto-model Olga Charova (Moscow).
Yes, there are lots of other bands and projects behind FORTHCOMING FIRE.
THE DAYS OF THE TRUMPET CALL is Raymond P., a friend and musician of
VON THRONSTAHL. We played together in early punk-goth-metal band called
CIRCLE OF SIG TIU.
is the tribute to Jim Morrison? Also all the FORTHCOMING FIRE's albums
I've heard contain covers of classic rock-n-roll stuff from 60ies. What
does interest you in such kind of music?
We did the
tribute CD for Jim Morrison in 1993 I think, with the help of members
of DEINE LAKEINEN, PROJECT PITCHFORK, CANCER BARRACK, TORS OF DARTMOOR,
SECRET DISCOVERY and lots of friends. Our interest to such older pop-music
came from our past we grew up with such music, also with THE BEATLES
and THE WHO and other great music.
FIRE's works are always eclectic and include tracks in very different
FORTHCOMING FIRE was always different, and we just liked to do and to
sound like we want. The releases are very different lots of gothic
and electronic bands may have the same sound on every their CD, but we
didn't like that way of working.
I think if your songs were more politically correct they could occupy
radio and TV very easily.
If you would
see these people in Germany, which call themselves POLITICALLY CORRECT
you must turn into a fascist. I mean, they will make people to believe
to fight for a better world, for humanity and Brotherhood, Liberty
they have not the important element to make it real they have no real
LOVE. And they are the new dogmatics they build their new totalitarian
system - in their minds firstly. I don't trust these people, they talk
about liberty, but their liberty leads into captivity. And also this
democracy of the Western kind is not a real Democracy it's a betrayal,
it's a Super-Capitalism, a totalitarian Reich of MONEY, it's a plutocracy,
not a real democracy, it's a sickness. Too many shit, too many channels,
too many of everything and no more Roots.
I love my country and that's enough to call me a nazi that's Germany,
a sickness of the eternal guilt, but without me. I don't like the American
way, I don't trust the peace-keeping missions the West tries to control
everything. They are the WARLORDS. Yes, maybe the Russians fight with
heavy weapons in Tchechnia, but what's about USA? The blood they spill
seems to flow more subtle the victims are more subtle and they kill
their own people with Hamburgers and Candys - in a slow way.
Like I love my country, I love EUROPE and I love my foreign neighbours.
Russia stands closer to Germany than the World Police of the USA, that
WORLD DOMINATION REGIME. Take care of the friendship with USA they
never let you go. They don't come with tanks and fighter-planes - they
send Coca-Cola and drugs and maybe their sweet kind of pop-music, but
this sweetness causes illness. Take care. The Russians are proud people,
your roots are deep, and the RUSSIAN HEART is beating and the roots are
living. Here in Germany it's a sin to love the COUNTRY. I never said
GERMANY UEBER ALLES, but I have a right to feel something like own identity.
The decline rules everywhere. Strange time very Orwell
like NOTHING IS LIKE IT SEEMS TO BE and HUMANITY turns into bestianity.
No, FORTHCOMING FIRE never was a nice band, we never kissed the arses
of the media-people, there were no commercial success in sight, when
you got the wrong meaning
you have in sight then? Which people and ideas attracted you?
are so many persons European-wide whose thoughts shine through this darkness,
too many to name fascists and not-fascists, Christians, Catholics,
nihilists, anarchists, artists, more in the past than today
FORTHCOMING FIRE did not start as a political group we had nothing
to do with politics. They made us a political band after I said what
I wanted to say, and so the problem began. But it's ok. In a philosophical
way we've been orientated towards the APOCALYPSE - and a new Beginning
after the FIRE. Difficult to explain my English is not good
the word fire appears in your works very often.
element of the Apocalypse. And I like the temperament of this element
and the relationships. What else could heal the world but FIRE?
pessimist or optimist, regarding the world fate?
of course, we shall overcome everything. I see a lot of negative tendencies
everywhere around us this time, this age is a dark age but I see
also a light coming, the light at the end of the tunnel maybe. But
it's not a NEW WORLD EMPIRE it's the NEW WORLD ORDER. I like the word
EMPIRE too much to see it close to the NEW WORLD TOTALITARISM which is
rising. EMPIRE is against this kind of order. THE NEW WORLD ORDER is
the NEW WORLD DISORDER, everything seems to be turned upside down. I
don't believe in their kind of liberty, etc, and I never trust all those
mechanisms to make everything and everybody equal to the others I like
differences. I think American way of the NEW WORLD ORDER will rise and
rise and will infect the rest of the world in big steps, this kind of
totalitarism will come to a highest point - and on the highest point
will take away the mask of humanity from it's ugly faces and then even
the blinded will feel the grip of the NWO.
From today's view I can see (here in the West) how the seeds grows, how
this false kind of humanity infects the minds of people they want to
be good and human, but it's a cold kind of humanism and it's low and
empty, like Nietzsche said when he spoke about the LAST MAN.
Every sickness has it's time and the return of real ORDER is only a
question of time. Let them play WORLD DOMINATION with McDonalds Coca-Cola
and Power-Politics in the end of the decline stands a new Beginning
and then the Empires will rise again maybe a real Order will rise,
based on real and deep foundations.
about last events in Western Europe (or rather Eastern America), demonstrating
the way NWO states destabilize the situation everywhere they need to
weaken possible enemy. They support Albanian and Tchechenian bandits,
there are evidences of direct contacts between various USA secret-services
with IRA or even German extremist Turks organizations. One day they could
easy blow up the situation in your country it they will not like something
to see your point of view and your kind of not being blinded. That's
absolutely right the agents of NWO create those fireplaces wherever
they need them. And it's right Western Europe become EASTERN AMERICA
and Germany, as the heart of this Eastern America, is in a very desolate
situation no self-consciousness, no independence, but lots of business
and industry to pay and pay for our past, and not more than 5 % of the
Germans know that our GOLD-RESERVES are not placed in Germany no
our GOLD in placed in AMERICAN bunkers in the USA. Strange things happen
here in secret ways.
Do you know that Germany is the only country in the modern West, where
second and third states can record phone-talks of private persons? Not
only the German secret agencies can control your phone or fax etc messages,
also USA and ISRAEL secret agencies can do this. And those agencies do
not just stay in contact with Turk extremists, they stand in contact
with very many different kind of extremists from different sides, playing
games which are really unbelievable for mass-people. It's the same with
radical left wing in the 70ies-80ies and the radical right wing of today
the hardcore extremists are made by state, and lots of the so-called
TERRORIST ATTACKS in the past and the present are not done by extremists
RAF or NAZIS it's the work of undercover secret agents. You must
know, the most people in the West are satisfied with BREAD and GAMES,
but if you take a look behind the scenes, you see other games, complicated
games going on. It's the big interest of the USA, Israel and the German
shadow-government to keep the hardcore neo-nazi scene alive neo-nazi
in this way does not mean NATIONAL-SOCIALIST in a honest way, in today's
Germany it means only violence, football, skinheads, burned asylum-homes
etc. This is what they like to see as nazism and this is what they create
with. Not only I know about lots of agents working in this way. The NWO
needs such neo-nazis, it's important for it to create them. And don't
believe that the last bomb in Duesseldorf against Russian Jews was made
by real neo-nazis it's the game of a state or states of NWO. It's power
With our kind of politician Germany will never become independent. If
somebody would try it as a politician they call him a nazi, and that's
the way he finishes. Everybody in today's Germany is stamped as NAZI
if he speaks for independent Germany. Yes, the NWO would blow up something
like a war situation, if Germany would be GERMAN again.
turn to VON THRONSTAHL. Your last album Imperium Internum is dedicated
to Division Charlemagne and Imperium Europeum. Could you explain what
do these mean?
CHARLEMAGNE was a fighting division of the German WAFFEN-SS not SS-brigades
for the tragic concentration camps . The Division CHARLEMAGNE was a division
of French soldiers fighting for the idea of IMPERIUM EUROPEUM, not for
the German Reich, but more for a kind of HOLY ROMAN REICH
of EMPEROR KARL. Their enthusiasm has been broken till the end of Second
World War like the enthusiasm of the soldiers of general Vlasov my
English is too bad to tell exactly what I mean but the WAFFEN-SS was
a big army of foreign soldiers fighting against bolshevism, communism,
The idea of IMPERIUM stands against the ideas of equality, false liberty,
photo, where men stand leaning on spades, reminds me similar scene from
Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of The Will
picture is made at the REICHPARTEISTAG area in Nuernberg, where Leni
Riefenstahl did some great works. The SPADES in our hands symbolize our
will of creating, maybe our IMPERIUM INTERNUM. Also, the SPADES are to
be seen as a symbol for searching of foundations. To search and to built.
THRONSHAL you took part in WAVE-GOTHIK-TREFFEN 2000. Any impressions
from it? And what do you think about its infamous end?
not really the collaboration of German mass-press, left wing politicians,
police and state-power did everything to cancel the gig. But I fooled
them all. The band played before VON THRONSTAHL (THE DAYS OF THE TRUMPET
CALL) is the half of VON THRONSTAHL. Police and bodyguards forbidden
me to enter the stage - but nobody of them checked that directly after
the last song of THE DAYS OF THE TRUMPET CALL, VON THRONSTAHL started
their show without me, but with 3 other men left and right behind the
empty micro-phone-stand, with a flag and SPADES in their hands. The audience
checked it at once with big applause and standing ovation. After
15 minutes of VON THRONSTAHL show with playing the CD with my voice and
playing live guitars they stopped us, but it was too late, we've been
victorious at Leipzig.
It was Napoleon's sun of AUSTERLITZ which I've seen shining on this glorious
You could hear about the decline of the festival, but it was not an infamous
end - it was FAMOUS end, because the spirit of independence was there
and the improvisations were great and the audience liked that all. INFAMOUS
could be the new beginning with lots of busy-people which can never create
the spirit of the last ten years. And no one else but the old organizer
Michael Brunner can stand so strong again to book such bands as DEATH
IN JUNE, OSTARA and all other proud troops.
the new practice of German officials to ban and cancel gigs by the
bands they think to be right-wing go wider and wider... VON THRONSTAHL,
typical for the Western falseness of FREE SPEECH and liberty, freedom
and democracy. It's not really because some of the bands are more right
orientated or not, it's because these artists touch their roots. It took
to long time to keep the youth back from their roots if you take them
back from the roots, you can do everything with them. Somebody who knows
about his roots will not be equal with everybody for the NEW WORLD
ORDER everybody has to be equal to each other. Adolf Hitler said: One
folk, one reich, one fleader. The NWO means ONE world-wide mass, ONE
WORLD, ONE MARKET and a small MASTER-RACE to lead the idiots. It's so
typical for this time to cancel gigs. Let the cancel gigs more and more
our scene will grow on this.
scene is represented mostly by bands from Germany and Italy
A kind of
it's more an act of self-perception - self-consciousness that finds it's
way of speaking. We touched our native roots and something flows again
something is in move. Yes, lots of traditional ideas come that way,
but in avantguard way also. We are not dumb traditionalists, the most
of us came from punk, anarchism, communism and so on, we've been inside
'em and now we came back and nothing will be the same. Not only Germany
and Italy are coming this way Rumania, France, UK, Polska, Spain
the whole Europe is moving. And believe our FORTRESS EUROPE stands
not against RUSSIA in our spiritual way it's more against the West.
This thing must be clear MOTHER RUSSIA stands close to us. Ok, we like
most of the American music, but I don't like to see the American sickness
to grow and grow into a world-wide spiritual misery.
about the German music scene in general?
It's a sickness
today - a big business, no independence any longer. You must know that
the ALTERNATIVE CHARTS are leaded by MAJOR COMPANIES acts. Businessmen
rule the scene - busy rat people dominating the scene it's all too
much, too many magazines, and everybody wants to grow bigger than others,
and the most of them can lick my arse they are mostly not real friends
of music, they are friends of success. I have got my problems with the
scene, and they can have their problems with me.
you see a musician place and role in this world?
artists or rebel in the year 2000 shall not stand in the tradition of
denying and destroying the old. During those adventurous rebellions of
rock-n-roll history we saw the world going down it was great to see
and strange to live, but it's over more and more. The music and art
shall not be AGAINST no more they must be FOR something. But everywhere
I look and see, I see rock-n-roll clowns and marionettes ruled by music
industry and behaving like it must go deeper and deeper. Maybe VON
THRONSTAHL and others like to show ok, if you think it must go deeper,
make may day, but we try other way. And it's not a way just of a re-turn.
concluding remarks for Russian audience.
Yes I believe
in the German-Russian friendship, from people to people, artist to artist,
not politician to politician. The war against Russia was a big tragedy
I can't find words for this, in English. After so many miseries, after
communism and glasnost, Russia has to return to it's deepest SELF before
taking irreparable step into a kind of democracy which is not what it
seems. The RUSSIAN BEAR shall not lick too much honey it makes him