First of all, I wonder which relations are between TESCO and WSD at present days? Did you finally solve property and back-catalog questions? Will you continue to distribute other WSD stuff?

Tesco and WSD relations always were of a business nature, it will never be more but maybe less. Fact is that WSD despite all our efforts to solve the situation is still not willing to hand-over the back-catalogue and property of Death In June, i.e. the films and graphics. We will continue to carry WSD on a lower basis in our distribution as there are still a few bands of interest on this distribution, I don't want to name WSD a label. The theme of WSD is like an endless groove on a record, it brings to surface only known facts and is a tactic of delay, basically we are all bored of it.

Ok, let's back to the roots. What is TESCO ORGANISATION? When, how and why it started?

Tesco started in 1987 as a mail-order for industrial music and culture. In 1989 we released our first LP Genocide Organ " Leichenlinie". From this time on the wheel started to turn fast and soon we founded our side-label Functional Org. on which we re-released a lot of unknown but very good tapes in standard packages. Influenced by early special packages like the Zoviet France LP's we did the same special packaging for all our Tesco releases and Functional was the counterpart. We started when we noticed that there was a gap between the music we liked and what was released by other labels, it was not the same, we needed something very we could put in our own feelings and ways of how we see the world. Most of the early releases were by Tesco members or close friends. We wanted to bring back the taste of the very early industrial times with all its goodies like SPK, Throbbing Gristle, Non, Lustmord and Nocturnal Emissions.

From these times, there exists a half-legendary 7" by LES JOYAUX DE LA PRINCESSE. I cannot remember it's name, but it has a track with USSR anthem at background. And presumable it was released not by TESCO itself, but by TESCO crew... Can you comment this story?

It was called �Allemanne L'annee Zero� and this might be seen of the first try of Tesco to establish Tesco-distribution which is now responsible for WKN, Fremdheit and NER. We did for LJDLP, we knew how to do it and had the money - so we agreed on a partnership on this, but it never was never a Tesco release, despite us doing all the manufacturing work.

Does TESCO work as music label/distribution exclusively? What about other activities - in the field of promotion, events organization, printed publications, propaganda, etc?

In fact Tesco's main activity is the label, distribution and mail-order works and the will to uphold a steady service on that. We increased our work with doing a web-page, but apart from promoting our work there won't be anything else in the future. In the past Tesco did organize some festivals like Heavy Electronics, Tesco Disco and Festival Karlsruhe. Unfortunately this all takes to much time and we can't afford ourselves to do it again. Tesco is not involved in any sort of propaganda, we let our bands speak for us, they all have something in common with us, or at least they had - some bands have changed. We, as persons and the label, stay as a neutral party supporting the bands on our labels, we've other ways to express our own personal views.

Concerning business side of Tesco - is it possible that your work as the label/mailorder allows you do not have another job to supply yourself with food, etc?

Tesco work is full-time and its profit allows us not have a dependent work in
another area. We stopped working 3 years ago. So our food supply is secured only by Tesco� if we ran out of it, we just go shopping.

Can you define the TESCO's ideology and aesthetics?

There's no visible ideology , we were always fascinated by people who are outspoken, direct and fearless , no matter what sort of politics. We enjoy the aesthetics of decay, the decline of western culture and decadence necessarily leads to a decline. Life with its brutal reality and images is the best inspiration. Living in country where you're not allowed to own any nationalism you've a lot to criticize.

Please shed some light upon the inner circle of Tesco - GENOCIDE ORGAN and ANENZEPHALIA. Having heard not too much stuff from these bands I cannot catch any significant stylistic and ideological differences. The both projects seem to be ran by the same people from the same label...

Anenzephalia was founded by a close friend of one member of Genocide Organ. and initially it was a one man project. The collaboration started when the first live concerts started, this was in 1991 when songs of Anenzephalia and Genocide Organ were played at a concert in Sweden. Wilhelm Herich of Genocide Organ is now a constant member in Anezephalia and due to their long friendship Herich and Moloch share some ideas and ideology. So just one member of G.O. is involved in Anenzephalia, but the main work and the artwork for all releases is still done by the original founding member B.Moloch.

I know GENOCIDE ORGAN was to perform live in England, April 2000. Did the show happen? How it was going on?

Genocide Organ performed in London and Leeds, the overall acceptance of both gigs were great. There had been problems with the PA and human factors in London, so I liked Leeds much more, not only for the G.O. gig, all other bands did an outstanding performance on this day.

Was it a festival?! I have known nothing about this. Can you remember more details and names?

Yes, it was a festival organized by Con-Dom. On stage were: Death Squad(US), Quell(US), Conspiracy International(Con-Dom, Grey Wolves)(UK) and Genocide Organ (GER). The site was an old factory building with high white walls which were used to project films and slides on. In the end about 80 people showed up , which is absolutely brilliant for this area, the rooms were unheated and nearly like ice-boxes. But the good performances warmed up the audience very soon. all in all a very good evening with nice people and good music.

By the way, were you on Wave-Gotik-Treffen 2000? Any impressions or thoughts about the event? It seems to grow, but when I see the bands list and events schedule I lose the point...

We are not interested in mass parties like that, parties with an absolutely commercial outlook and a mass of bands which are not the ones we like. There are not really any industrial bands at these occasions. I do not want to go any further but I hate this shit!!

Ok, an interesting question I wanted to ask for a long time. Some of early TESCO releases - especially by GENOCIDE ORGAN � you can find now at Internet-auctions at rather crazy prices - around 150 DM and higher. What do you think about the situation when a record becomes a subject of speculations between collectors? From "business" point of view it means that demand is much more bigger than supply. In this connection should any of some rare stuff from TESCO be re-released one day?...

This is a delicate topic. If there are people around willing to pay immense amounts of money for a record we cannot do anything, but just warn them that there are some profits out there who are just after the money. No Tesco releases were done with the intention that they should become a rare cult item. We just considered how many people we might reach and how many copies we are able to pay for. Remember Tesco was very small when it started in 1987 and so was the scene, for instance the first Genocide Organ's LP was in stock for half a year after the release date. Using records as a speculation object is objectionable what more can I say as these people who are doing this are not worth to be talked about. But I must admit that I am still going around and look for some records myself and would be happy to find them for 150.- DM, if this is the top, but it is not for some records you have to sell your car for! Fuck this! As you might know, we already started to re-release some rare stuff. To re-release all sold out Tesco items would led to an immense investment and we want to invest our money in new releases. Some of the old stuff should remain in the past because the times have changed and a lot of people do not see the intention of the bands any more, unfortunately everything becomes more and more decadent.

As your label is specialized in the fields of noise/power-electronics could you explain the boom of this genres - especially in Germany?

I think Tesco was the first label to reintroduce this genre to the German audience. It was like everybody was sleeping, nothing really happened, apart from a few, most people were sitting at home and enjoy the minimal sounds of someone cleaning its cellar. The harsh provoking sound and images of the power electronic scene shocked them back to live, a lot of this band were already existing but forgotten. We collected these bands and introduced them, due to the fact that no there was a bigger audience for this music a lot of new bands appeared and a lot of old once started their music again with more success. The climax was reached in the early 90-ies and since the last years it is just a noisy techno-scene, young kids trying to be faster louder and more screaming. What they do not have is intention, background or a so called message. That is what makes them boring. The message always was very important to us like the artwork and the way the artist reflected all of it. Fuck all these spare time noisers, they are wasting our time and money. The same with these teckno-gothic-industrial kids, who think they are so special, but in the end are more fashion and trendy as the mainstream.

Being familiar with the scene, can you comment the past years phenomenon of good bands with right-wing ideologies and sympathies springing up nearly like mushrooms after rain? Which are the "soil" and "roots" of them and what is the "rain"?

The soil is the stupid policy in Germany concerning German history, the roots of this bands is the will do not accept a thing without question it. And the rain? Hopefully a new feeling of freedom - the real freedom from all oppression... Freedom of culture, Fatherland, speech, art, press and so on. Back to the beginning of your question, you are doing a very easy job when just saying right-wing without naming at least a few of these. Most of the ideas these bands share are much older than 60 years, they do not reduce history to 12 years and a lot of their ideology is based in the war against Napoleon or the 1848 revolution or further back. A liberal nationalism which was good in those days is bad today, even it is forbidden to speak about it. Re-education of our �friends� from overseas worked very well. They want no left no right, they just want a faceless mass without demands without remembrance. How can any country survive over a long time if the people is not really interested in it and cannot identify themselves with it? Due to all these apathy in the past decades all these awakenings might seem a bit radical, but it's a natural thing that people one day get aware of who they are and where they are from. All these bands work with their history in a try to understand it, also to understand what is going on today. Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In most of these bands you might referring to I cannot see any propaganda which could lead to national-socialism, this is not the point, especially not for us as we were always there to support Industrial Culture, but mind us if you try to oppress our strife for information and our pure natural demands. View the bands on Tesco and you do not find a single ideology promoted, there is information, there are views but not orders and everything is different.

Well, as I told about "right-wing" I thought mostly about the specter of conservative-revolutionary, traditionalistic and third-position ideologies and bands sharing them... Anyway, when "usual" people see the artworks, for example of Dagda Mor's releases or inserts for first Genocide Organ lp, they can say: "A-ha, nazi thugs!...". And it really happened. I heard German antifa have a drudge against you just for this reason. What do you fill about all this?

We are not interested in usual narrow-minded people, we can get a long with all open-minded listeners and activist no matter which side they are on, if there is a side to choose. An activist is someone who does something not only being physically active but also training his mind striking for the ultimate information. I have not heard of the antifa drudging against us. There is a wide range of bands on tesco going all-over all political and artistic ideas. There is no way to judge us by 3 or 4 bands. They have to see all together, even then its hard to say. Stupid people with nothing to do are looking around to hassle others but there always after the same. Its getting boring� We are not interested in politics as a label and especially not in their or these politics.

Regarding policy in Germany concerning its present and future - are you an optimist or a pessimist? Please share your vision of the way the situation can develop in...

Germany's policy is not of its own will, its dictated by forces from outside. There are a lot of different parties who have an interest in Germany. To go deeper would never stop. It is so obvious where this all will end that everybody who comes to Germany with open eyes can see it. If I think about Germany at night I will never find sleep! Said a wise man once. It is a vision of darkness who knows where it will end.

As Genocide Organ you have contributed a track to "Natural Order" compilation. Can you formulate basic principles of the natural order in the way you understand it?

We did not make up our mind about the principles of another labels release, for G.O. you have to ask them. There is no natural order at all, man's strive was always stopped by might and extended by might, through all centuries its visible that might could be the only natural order.

If to remember music's primordial ritualistic meaning, it usually was a shaman or pagan priest who used combinations of sounds and noises to attract or frighten away some demons, forces or element ("Naturkraft")... How do you see Genocide Organ in this light? What are today's "demons" you meet or fight with your music?

Oh please - this is not a G.O interview. As far as I know they never give interviews and I do not to speak out for them - I am not their press-manager.
But today's demons are the dictators of freedom and peace. global organizations, defense org., parties, churches, unionists, one-world supporters, oppressors of culture, national identity and justice, market strategists, people who use currencies to bring down an idea, anti-occultists, all anti-antis, all -isms!

It's pretty strange question and I am not sure we should touch this topic, but you should see for yourself. Since Baader-Meinhoff group (RAF) there were no signs of purposeful political extremism in Germany. As in all the Western states, the terms "extremism" and "terror" are shifting onto the sphere of art - "extreme music", "terrorizing sound, image and concept", etc. Of course, as Latins said - "In arte libertas". But with all my efforts, I cannot imagine "extreme" music in XIX century, but there were a lot of "extremists" who fought their enemies with guns and bombs. It seems that today's people of the West are satisfied with the things � living level and quality, - and even if someone is displeased he does not want risk and "too big victims". Is it a sign of highly developed repressive organs which kill in the bud any will to real and immediate changes, or the people just became soft and weak?

In some way its like you say but every time has it's ways to fight. At that time these were the bombs and guns, anarchist movements, nationalistic movements, terrorist movements. Today it's different because the situation is different, society has changed a lot. Like Marx said the only purpose of the working class is to work with the minimum of necessary things given by the capitalists to secure their work for further work and more profit for the capitalist. He only forgot that people can be satisfied with this, they see no reason for revolution as long as they can afford what they want. all these extreme music makers, labels and bands they have chosen their way, a way to counter-caricature all this but to go on with their work they have to follow the industrial depend economic way until a certain point. You are right, one bullet at the right time might change the whole situation, but where to get all the bullets from? If you see a chance to change something with the methods you are already working with why not develop them. I like the idea in beating the state and its authorities with their own weapons and besides of this its also a question of taste in music... I think there are a few bands outside who really like the music and this is why they do it, not to support any revolutionary idea. I can understand that. All this is not just a question of the West or do you think its less weak to go and kill for religious reasons in the far East or for reasons of natural resources in Asia or drugs in Latin America. The media tells us that all this is better than the fight for national identity and even this fight is corrupted by money. As said before you get whatever you need and if there is a small minority left that still want changes they get oppressed or their ideas got stolen. This might sound pessimistic from my view but not necessarily from the view of the majority. This is what they want and what I can do is to live an idealistic life a dream and a though, my resistance is visible without one action its an ongoing agitation an a special level, my level. I am not interested in the measures of the outer-world, they do not count here, we always went over the maximum and this is where we exist, at the edge, we are the edge and its a sharp one. We are not here to amuse ourselves, or to educate others because their parents and teachers failed. We have no high opinion about mankind, we are not intending to do revolution which makes everything better for them, they are not worth the work.

TESCO is going to produce LP by a band which name is STURMOVIK. This name sounds quite Russian. Who are these guys really? What music they made?

Sturmovik's LP is called �Feldweihe� and will be out in a few weeks. The band is based in Germany and at the present time I really don't know the meaning of the name, you are right it somehow sounds Russian. The music is a reflection of experiences in submarines during World War II and is loaded with dark drones, samples, noises and classical arrangements. Like a soundtrack to a war-movie, not unlike Nocturne and the 10� of LJDLP.

In Russian the name means a member of SA, "Der Sturmer"... In certain cases I see necessity in knowing exact meanings of the names. It's strange but I still do not know what means "Tesco" and "Anenzephalia". Also what is the meaning of "Genocide Organ"? Please explain.

Tesco is the name of a chain of supermarkets based in the UK. The terminus Tesco was brought up by Throbbing Gristle, one of their members worked in one of the shops, because of our enthusiasm with the early Industrial Music we wanted to show our love for it choosing this name. Anenzephalia is a disease, as far as I know babies that were born with the brain outside the head suffer from this sickness. For further info you have to contact the band. Genocide Organ is a fictitious organization which controls, prepares and executes Genocides, it can be also the part of the body or the society which is responsible for it... Here it is like above for details you have got to ask the groups.

What can you say about Apoptose new and great CD of whom you released recently? I have found only their e-mail address with an Iceland domain...

Apoptose is a German band which has been very much influenced by their travels in to the northern regions of Europe, their music reflects the rough life conditions in the north like arctic temperatures, wilderness, loneliness and darkness lasting for months. the group has visited certain ancient stone circles and barren landscapes and let themselves influenced by the beauty of its surroundings.

TESCO's achievements and failures?

We achieved a good reputation for what we did and when we started our distribution service TESCO proved that there's still a reliable distributor left. We failed with convincing some of our early band not to start sellouts, flooding the market with dozens of releases. And of course, the German government is still the same, the same stubborn piece of censorship supporting thing without any idea of what's going on.

TESCO's plans for the future?

To increase our distribution part like we did now with the Death in June/Ner releases. Still to come are Con-Dom � �The color of man� 2LP+7�, Grey Wolves � �Division� CD, Sturmovik LP, Anenzephalia � �Fragments of demise� CD and some more in preparation.